This week, host Isaac Butler cracks the code of the heist film genre with Phil Alden Robinson, director of the 1992 cult classic Sneakers. In the interview, Phil talks about Sneakers\u2019 nine-year writing process, the film\u2019s alternate endings, and how he landed a cast of cinema legends, including Robert Redford and Sidney Poitier, to portray his meticulously crafted characters.\xa0\nAfter the interview, Isaac and co-host June Thomas talk about Phil\u2019s ability to strive for perfection while also being a super nice guy.\xa0\nIn Slate Plus, Phil talks about his favorite heist movies.\xa0\xa0\nSend your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com.\xa0\nPodcast production by Cameron Drews.\nIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence\u2014and you\u2019ll be supporting the work we do here on Working. It\u2019s only $35 for the first year, and you can get a free two-week trial. Sign up now\xa0to help support our work.\xa0\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices