On this week\u2019s episode of The Waves, what\u2019s it like to be an indie musician? Slate senior producer Cheyna Roth is joined by singer and songwriter Dessa. They dig into her newest album and how she has benefited from and been hurt by being a woman in the music industry. Later in the show they explore the breakup song - and all the gendered expectations that go along with writing one.\xa0\n\nIn Slate Plus: What do a dentist, neuroscientists, and puppeteers all have in common? They\u2019ve worked with Dessa.\n\nIf you liked this episode, check out: Penis Politics\xa0\n\nPodcast production by Cheyna Roth and Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Daisy Rosario and Alicia Montgomery.\nSend your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com.\n\nSlate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now at slate.com/thewavesplus.\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices