On this week\u2019s episode of The Waves, Slate senior producer Cheyna Roth is joined by Slate senior writer Mark Joseph Stern to talk about Michigan\u2019s ballot initiative to save abortion rights in the state. They dig into the positives and negatives of going to the ballot, what we can learn from Ireland, and why, at the end of the day, you really need the courts. Mark also explains the one big thing that citizens can and should be doing to help secure abortion access.\xa0\n\nIn Slate Plus, is Ginny Thomas maintaining a career that directly conflicts with her Supreme Court Justice husband\u2019s work feminist?\xa0\n\nMentioned in the Show:\n\u201cThe Ironic, Unintended Consequence of SCOTUS\u2019s Plan to Overturn Roe\u201d by Mark Joseph Stern\n\nRecommendations:\nMark: The album Two Ribbons by Let\u2019s Eat Grandma\nCheyna: Everything by the band HAIM.\xa0\n\xa0\nPodcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Shannon Palus and Alicia Montgomery .\xa0\nSend your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices