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On 29 April the Hon. Mohamed Elmi (MP, Tarbaj) presented a paper at the Nairobi Forum on Lessons from the Ministry of Northern Kenya, reflecting on the work of his former Ministry in supporting pastoralism and development in Kenya’s arid and semi arid lands. The former Minister was one of several speakers at a seminar hosted by the Nairobi Forum in collaboration with the Future Agriculture Consortium, to launch the book Pastoralism and Development in Africa: Dynamic Change at the Margins. Other speakers and authors included Jeremy Lind (Institute of Development Studies), Hussein A. Mahmoud (Pwani University), Abdirizak Arale Nunow (Inter-Parliamentary Union, IGAD), Polly Ericksen (ILRI) and Francis Chabari (Kenya Drylands Livestock Development Programme). The proceedings were chaired by Deborah Nightingale (RVI Fellow) and the Hon. Chachu Ganya (MP, North Horr). The speakers illustrated the dynamic changes happening within pastoralism in Kenya, with discussions of innovations in livestock trade, land expropriation, environmental change, and policy initiatives to mitigate recurrent disasters through resilience programmes. This podcast is part 2 of 2.