In this episode Andrew Clancy interviews Shiela O'Donnell and John Tuomey of O'Donnell and Tuomey. \n\nJohn and Shiela are as much educators as architects, and this conversation roves freely between conversations about schools, and their own work in practice. It is clear that these two worlds are interconnected and interreliant in a profound way in their lives. \nThe work in both places has overlaps - not least a concern with close reading of site and context, and an investment in drawing out what the \u2018utter\u2019 aspect of a project might be through conversation and drawing. \n\nWe talk through their recent retirement from UCD - the school they were taught in and in turn taught into for most of their lives, and how this might mark a new chapter on a number of levels. We also hear what it was like working for Stirling, the humanity of the man, and his insistence on the value of \u2018the act itself\u2019 of being an architect. \n\nWe do hope you enjoy the conversation. \n\nhttp://odonnell-tuomey.ie\n\n---------\n\nCredits: \nRegister is the Research Centre in the Department of Architecture & Landscape at the Kingston School of Art, Kingston University London kingstonarchitecture.london\n\nHead of Department: Mary Johnson\nProducer: Laura Evans / Andrew Clancy\nInterviewer: Andrew Clancy\nEditor: Andrew Clancy\nMusic: Poddington Bear - Rainbow Architecture