The last three years have seen unprecedented disruption to the world of work. The rise of remote and hybrid working indicates a workplace revolution, but how much have things actually changed?\nPresentism is still a big issue, with some employers using economically tough times as an excuse to get people back to the office. Meanwhile, many hybrid and remote employees struggle with legacy working methods not designed for the world we are now living in\n\nMy guests this week are Lizzie Penny and Alex Hirst, co-founders of Hoxby and authors of the best selling book Workstyle. Lizzie and Alex are campaigners for a more modern autonomous working style. They are using their own experiences of running a remote first business to start a movement to make work better for everyone.\xa0\n\nIn the interview, we discuss:\n\nWhat is wrong with work\n\nAgeing populations, independence and technology\n\nBreaking free from a 200 year old operating system\n\nAutonomy, productivity and accountability\n\nDigital first, not physical first.\n\nTrust over presentism\n\nThe vital importance of asynchronous working\n\nHow the Workstyle revolution works at Hoxby\n\nInclusive for structurally excluded workers\n\nHow to make a seismic change\n\nMeeting in person to build deeper connections.\n\nRemote leadership\n\nOld rules, new challenges\n\nThe relationship between autonomy, well-being, and productivity\n\n\nListen to this podcast in Apple Podcasts.