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The guys welcome DL Rossi to talk about \u201cPlans\u201d from Death Cab For Cutie.\xa0 Plenty of other discussion including DL\u2019s new album \u201cLonesome Kind,\u201d The Office & Scranton, getting produced by your brother, the arts scene in Grand Rapids, Van Plating, red state vs. blue state alternative music, economy of words, Raymond Carver, the genius of Ben Gibbard and the drumming talent of Jason McGerr (the other guys are cool too though), and a grammy winner that pisses Ben off.

Check out DL Rossi at: https://www.dlrossi.com/

Check out Death Cab for Cutie at: https://www.deathcabforcutie.com/

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