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Solidarity Fridays - Week 14

Published: July 3, 2020, 1 p.m.

In today\u2019s Solidarity Fridays episode, Joe and Kyle sit down and talk about various topics in the news.

They first discuss the duality of how Covid-19 affects different people, and how much of a privilege it is to be able to reconnect with family in new ways and use this time to grow spiritually while so many are out of work and struggling to get by.\xa0

They discuss a recent tweet from @Shroomstreet concerning psychedelic stocks and the money being invested in this emerging market, and concerns that some of these unknown companies could be fake or following the \u201cexit scam\u201d model of holding onto investor money and then closing up shop. How many of these companies are in it for the right reasons, and what does this all mean on a grand scale?

They talk about recent reports of psychedelic retreats in excess of $10,000 and the various aspects surrounding these prices, from the cost of education and the need for physicians and therapists to make a living while helping others, to the idea of \u201cpay what you can\u201d and taking a hit financially if it means helping the local community or those really in need without the finances to be able to participate in these retreats. Is pastoral counseling or group therapy the best way to help the most people?\xa0

And lastly, they talk about Oregon\u2019s progress in getting legal psilocybin therapy on the ballot in November and the benefits of legality, most importantly towards the ability to report abusive sitters under a framework that would completely remove them from this field.

Notable quotes

\u201cThe Newtonian-Cartesian paradigm is just so focused on the how- on the mechanics of \u2018how does a psychedelic work? Oh, ok, it can treat this. How does it treat this?\u2019 vs. thinking about the idea of final cause and thinking about the why- why do these things exist? What is its purpose, and what is the potential implication here, on a bigger level, than just thinking about this how and thinking \u2018this thing does this thing and that\u2019s all we\u2019re really worried about,\u2019 not thinking about that overarching why- like, what is the purpose here?\u201d -Kyle

\u201cI think everybody really should be able to access healing eventually. I think people shouldn\u2019t be starving to death either, but people are still starving to death. I remember Kwasi (Adusei, in Solidarity Fridays week 10) at one point was like, \u2018should we bring psychedelics to minority communities for healing?\u2019 Well, why not bring regular mental health services first? Let\u2019s start with clean water, as opposed to \u2018let\u2019s give them a road that they didn\u2019t want.\u2019 What\u2019s the cheapest, lowest-hanging fruit that\u2019s going to give the best reward?\u201d -Joe

\u201cEducation programs probably would be really helpful. And I think that\u2019s how we fit in. It\u2019s a philosophy thing that could be helpful for both recreationalists and people providing therapeutic experiences, and the experiencers themselves too. It helps to have some education before you go to see God.\u201d -Joe

\u201cI think states should be experimenting with different ways of going forward. Yes, I want everything to be decriminalized- I want everything to be legal, really- personally. I don\u2019t think therapeutic use should be the only use-case. But it\u2019s certainly a lot better than what we\u2019ve got now.\u201d -Joe

Links

Shroomstreet's tweet: Why do you think Psychedelic stocks continue to bleed?

Regulated psychedelic mushrooms are one step closer to being on the ballet in Oregon in November

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