PT450 Mackenzie Amara & Dr. Ido Cohen Dreams, Psychedelics, Symbolism, and Cockroaches
In this episode, Johanna interviews Jungian analyst-in-training, writer, researcher, 5Rhythms\xae teacher, and Vital graduate: Mackenzie Amara; and Vital instructor, clinical psychologist, and creator of our new course, \u201cIlluminating the Hidden Self: Navigating the Jungian Shadow with Psychedelics\u201c: Dr. Ido Cohen.
This sequel to their fascinating discussion about shadow work earlier this year focuses on dreams, as Amara, while dreaming that she was having an acid trip and coming to the realization that dreams and LSD may be sending her to the same place, is researching the similarities between the odd worlds of dreams and psychedelic experiences: Is it the same place? Do the dreams we have after psychedelic experiences continue those visions and \u2018Aha!\u2019 moments? Can they answer questions for us (the concept of \u201csleep on it\u201d)? Does dream analysis result in a greater feeling of integration? Can we use the dreams we have before experiences to help guide the experience itself?
The conversation goes a lot of places: the many aspects of Jungian psychology; the fluidity of Indigenous perspectives around visible and invisible worlds; how Jung wrote \u201cThe Red Book\u201d; the concept of eros and reclaiming our relationship with aliveness; how nature is in constant equilibrium (as are we); how to build a relationship with your dreams; how to work with symbols in dreams; and much more. Ultimately, this episode is about the clash between the conscious and unconscious, the willed and the incidental, and waking life and other realities, and dream analysis and integration work is really tracking vitality in the human psyche: what is alive in us and how does it want to live out in our beings? What makes us come alive? Can our dreams tell us?