SUPERGROUPS: How SUPER Are They? Audioslave, Velvet Revolver and THE REST | MUSIC is not a GENRE - Season 4 Episode #27

Published: Feb. 28, 2022, 1 p.m.

SUPPORT ME ON PATREON\n\nWATCH MUSIC is not a GENRE VIDEOS and MORE\n\nFEATURED SONG: REC \u2013 \u201cI\u2019m Gone\u201d (from Parts and Labour)\xa0\n\nFirst off, we need to agree on what makes a supergroup. There are lists based on the conventional definition that it\u2019s a group made up of members from other groups. I\u2019m gonna take that two steps further. STEP ONE (yes, I\u2019ve now planted the NKOTB song in your head): The groups these people came from needed to have been famous on their own \u2013 i.e. successful & known, i.e. \u201csuper\u201d. This can include solo careers. STEP TWO: The new group they form has to have had some measure of success & renown as well. In short, a supergroup is \u201ca famous new group formed by members of famous old groups.\u201d\n\nThis stricter definition rules out a ton of groups otherwise called \u201csuper\u201d. Some categories that no longer apply:\n\n\xb7 Groups whose members were in groups no one has heard of. Example: Can anyone name one other group members of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons came from?\n\n\xb7 New groups almost no one has heard of or remembers. Example: We probably all know Filter, Nine Inch Nails & Stone Temple Pilots, but does anyone remember Army of Anyone?\n\n\xb7 Glorified side projects, \u2013 people mostly from one band, with some side dudes from other lesser known bands. Examples: GTR, A Perfect Circle, Zwan.\n\n\xb7 Established bands that had another famous person join in for a while. Examples: RHCP with Dave Navarro; Mars Volta with John Frusciante, Queen with Paul Rodgers.\n\n\xb7 Glorified solo projects \u2013 one famous musician forming a band with a bunch of non-famous people. Example: Wings.\n\n\xb7 Personal favorites \u2013 a new group of famous musicians you wish everyone else knew but never quite got there. Example: Tinted Windows.\n\nI\u2019m not saying any of these deserve less praise or respect. They\u2019re just not really supergroups. Now that we\u2019ve established the criteria, let\u2019s look at a much shorter list of actual supergroups:\n\nTO SEE FULL LIST AND FULL ESSAY, GO HERE: NEW HOME of MUSIC is not a GENRE\n\nOne thing everyone assesses right out of the gate is whether the new group is better than the old ones. In a few cases \u2013 CSNY, Bad Company, Foo Fighters, Madvillain & Run the Jewels \u2013 the new groups ARE better. Their music can stand alone with or without their origin groups \u2013 one thing I think truly makes a supergroup super. But in almost every case above and any I\u2019ve missed, the answer is no. Them Crooked Vultures is not better than any of the bands those people came from. Neither Broken Bells nor Hollywood Vampires.\n\nAnd certainly not Audioslave or Velvet Revolver. Were they good bands? Yes. Did they bring something new to the conversation? To some degree, yes. Did they eclipse their old bands? Hell no. It was awesome to hear Cornell & Weiland sing again, and with such esteemed company. And there were several songs from each I really liked (\u201cCochise\u201d, \u201cShow Me How to Live\u201d & \u201cThe Last Fight\u201d, \u201cFall to Pieces\u201d, to name just a few). But I don\u2019t think there\u2019s a doubt in anyone\u2019s mind that the new bands never came close to the artistic achievements of Soundgarden & STP.\n\nIt's awesome they existed \u2013 both for the artists & for us. But they will always be footnotes. Exceptions like CSNY or Bad Company prove the rule: that supergroups on the whole are usually not so super.\n\nI was in several bands before REC, including my own solo career. Members of REC have been in other bands as well. That said, none of us are famous \u2013 either before or now. So we would not make this list. Which is totally okay.\n\n\n--- \n\nThis episode is sponsored by \n\xb7 Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app\n\nSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/musicisnotagenre/support\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices