In this bonus episode, Wendy speaks with psychologist and contemplative researcher Adam Hanley. Adam studies mindfulness-based interventions for addiction and pain, seeking to understand how they work, and how they can best be applied in these populations. In this conversation they discuss:\nhow he became a contemplative scientist;\nautomaticity, habits, and addiction;\nhis research showing how mindfulness may help us de-automatize our thought processes, and stay more in the present;\nself-transcendence and how he's beginning to study it;\nand the importance of understanding the nature of self, and moving beyond egocentric views, as we seek to build a healthier society.\nFull show notes and resources