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Speaking to their first guest of 2021, Matt and Russ talk to artist India Barton. India draws portraits of people, animals and TV characters/personalities using only a biro, she’s also a tattoo artist. We discuss how she got started, her influences, some disasters which have forced her to restart a project and she perfectly describes exactly what sort of pain getting tattoo feels like (though we hope it’s not true). Check out all of Indias work on Twitter @india_barton and Instagram https://www.instagram.com/indiamaetattoo/?hl=en you will be amazed that it’s even possible to draw like that with a biro. Please subscribe to our show and follow us @no_appointment on Twitter.