48: Lunch with Leon episode 48 - Anthony Smith
Anthony Smith CEO Transport focus \u2013 the government-supported independent rail, bus and roads watchdog \u2013 chats with Leon Daniels OBE about the problem in the public\u2019s understanding of what green transport actually is.
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\n\n\nAnthony talks about the \u2018say-do\u2019 problem: what we say is so different to what we do and how this is especially true when it comes to the environment, why attitudinal research is a \u2018waste of time\u2019 and why people lie in surveys.
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\n\n\nAnd, he addresses the \u2018silos\u2019 of car Vs bus, and reckons we have passed \u2018peak public transport\u2019.
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\n\n\nNow the government effectively has control of rail and bus, Anthony Smith sets out how the new rail concessions that are replacing franchises could finally bring genuinely integrated transport.