Welcome everyone! Joining us on the show today is the fabulous Justin Jackson, founder of MegaMaker, Transistor.fm and the creator of the course, Marketing for Developers. In this episode, Justin and I chat about the importance of interaction with learners in online courses, the challenge of low completion rates of online courses, and how developers can implement strategies that push learners to be interested and complete the course. Oh, and we talked so much that we ran out of time. This is a good one, folks. Enjoy!\n\nWhat online courses often lack is someone pushing them in real time with real consequences.\n\nEpisode Quotes\n\n"Your journey is your journey. You can't copy what everyone else is doing or done before." \n\n"Every day you got to wake up and figure out how you're going to make it work for you and your customer."\n\n"Don't try to buy somebody else's audience. Build your own audience."\n\n"You're only going to accomplish something meaningful through a lot of discomfort."\n\n"Nowadays, if you are not helping people make progress in their lives, it's not enough."\n\n\nListen to Learn\n\n00:38\tGetting to know Justin, Rapid 5 Questions\n\n05:15\tJustin's journey becoming an online entrepreneur \n\n10:00\tHow to know when to build an email list and build an audience?\n\n13:37\tWHY? From book into an online course\n\n17:49\tStructure overview of Marketing for Developers\n\n22:03\tChallenges Justin experience as a course creator\n\n25:44\tFiguring out the learner journey, what online courses often lack\n\n32:11\tTips in helping learners make progress \n\n41:58\tHow do online courses fit in your business model?\n\n45:15\tHow to keep people interested while creating the course? \n\n48:56\tPricing tiers of Marketing for Developers\n\n52:48\tAwesome things to look forward to from Justin, links and announcements\n\nWant More?\nListen to the bonus segment Justin and I recorded. It\u2019s a great conversation on vulnerability, mental health, and more rarely talked about topics in entrepreneurship. Grab it here: https://get.zencourses.co/extra/