In this episode, I’m really excited to have as my guest, Andrew Barnes, Architect of the 4 Day Week and author of the book with the same name. Andrew Barnes conducted an experiment in his own business, the New Zealand trust company Perpetual Guardian, and asked his staff to design a four-day week that would permit them to meet their existing productivity requirements on the same salary but with a 20% cut in work hours. The outcomes of this trial, which no business leader had previously attempted on these terms, were stunning. People were happier and healthier, more engaged in their personal lives, and more focused and productive in the office. The story of Perpetual Guardian's unprecedented work experiment has made headlines around the world and many companies all around the world are adopting variations of this idea. In our discussion, Andrew and I talked about: The increased productivity that they found from their 4-day week experiment; The relevance of the 4-day week idea to a post COVID world; Other benefits to society of the 4-day work week Listen to the podcast to learn more. Show Notes and Blog The Podcasts See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.