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This week, Alec talks with Fred Armisen. Armisen has been a punk rock drummer, currently he\u2019s a cast member on\xa0Saturday Night Live\xa0and is also the co-creator and co-star of IFC\u2019s\xa0Portlandia. Armisen has always been ambitious; when he was a drummer, he recalls, he always "wanted much more."

Long ago, Armisen played drums with the Blue Man Group in Chicago and he tells Alec he learned a lot: about "simplicity," "reinvention" and "that audiences want to be entertained." Armisen admits that he\u2019s always working; when\xa0SNL\xa0is on hiatus, he\u2019s producing\xa0Portlandia.\xa0But he still dreams about what might come next: "I want to invent a type of entertainment that is really blurry between comedy and something else. That doesn\u2019t have a name yet...another level of fooling people as opposed to just doing a character. Something a little bigger than that."

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