442 - How Pain Points Can Point To New Possibilities with Amy Devers
SPONSORS\nEXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal\xa0\u27bc\xa0https://nordvpn.com/peptalk Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee!\n\nAmy Devers is the host of the design podcast Clever, Check it out here: https://www.cleverpodcast.com/