The urgency of the climate crisis has compelled writers such as Bill McKibben and Antonia Juhasz to cross the line into advocacy. \u201cOften facts can be disempowering\u201d if it feels like there is nothing you can do, says Juhasz. \u201cUnderstanding the direct human impact right now, the real facts, and the sense that you can do something about it\u201d is what you need to get people to change she says. But convincing people is no longer the main battle, according to McKibben who says that \u201c75% of Americans know that climate change is real and want something done about it.\u201d The issue is making their voices heard against the influence of the resources of the fossil fuel industry. The answer to this, he says, is divestment. \u201cWe\u2019re not going to bankrupt Exxon,\u201d he says, \u201cbut we are going to start morally bankrupting them.\u201d Juhasz agrees that \u201cyou can\u2019t undermine the significance of the symbolism of divestment.\u201d A discussion with two of the environmental movement\u2019s leading communicators on speaking up and being heard. This program was recorded in front of a live audience at The Commonwealth Club of California on May 3, 2013\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices