b'Here\\u2019s a bonus segment from episode #57 of Founders Talk with David Cramer, co-founder and CEO of Sentry. Check the feed for the full length episode (later today). We talked about sales in the full length episode, but this BONUS segment is a completely isolated conversation that\\u2019s not included in the full length episode \\u2014 so don\\u2019t gloss over this thinking it\\u2019s just a teaser.'