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Yes, your eyes don't deceive you. Chris Hetlinger is our guest, but Chris Hetlinger is also a co-host! How can this be?! You'll just have to see.

Join us for a dive into the Abhorsen trilogy, a fantasy book series that our guest and host (and these are two different people we're talking about here) have a deep love for, but Atlas has no idea about any of it. And who doesn't want to see Atlas look stupid? It's an early father's day special miracle!

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Recorded at Third Wheel Podcast Studios in Los Angeles, CA.