Richard speaks to Lochlan Watt and Josh Merriel -- triple j's experts on metal and punk respectively -- to look at how these genres are ageing, but the changing influences within both as well. They talk about acts like Slayer, Scarlxrd, Ghostemane, The Offspring, Judas Priest, Bring Me The Horizon, The Amity Affliction, Good Cop Bad Cop, Ghost, and more.